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tamsyamAn article about Jewish-Turkish sausage-making in Washington:
In October 2000, the government of Turkey had a problem.
House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert had promised to bring a resolution commemorating the Armenian genocide to the floor for a vote, a move that Ankara said would be a slap in the face to a NATO ally.
The Turks called up Keith Weissman, a senior researcher from the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, and asked him to intervene.
Mr. Weissman said in an interview this week that AIPAC lit up the phones and managed at the last minute — with the help of the State Department — to persuade President Clinton himself to write a letter to Mr. Hastert saying a vote on the resolution would cause strategic damage to U.S. interests.
The last-minute push worked. Mr. Hastert removed the resolution from the floor, and the full Congress has yet to take up the matter to this day.
But the American Jewish community is no longer helping Turkey, after a tumultuous deterioration of ties between Israel and Turkey in the past four years. The government in Ankara last week decried a botched Israeli raid on a Turkish aid flotilla, which claimed at least nine lives, as an act of "state terror."
In some ways, the Memorial Day flotilla affair marks an end of Israel's more than 20-year strategic alliance with Turkey, and the resulting support from the pro-Israel lobby in Washington.
Turkey, which has a secular constitution, was the first Muslim state to recognize Israel, in 1949. Israel has historically sought to form alliances with countries on the periphery of the Arab world such as Turkey, Iran and Ethiopia.
In 1982, when Israel invaded southern Lebanon, its army destroyed training camps affiliated with the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia, a terrorist organization responsible for the slayings of Turkish diplomats.
Turkey rewarded Israel's counterterrorism operations with increased intelligence ties. The intelligence relationship soon blossomed into full ambassadorial relations, and increased commercial trade and closer military cooperation. In exchange for arms sales from Israel, Turkey allowed the Israeli air force to use Anatolian airspace for training purposes.
The relationship began to sour in the early 2000s with the election of the Justice and Development Party (AKP in Turkish), which is based on elements of parties that had been banned for Islamism.
Malcolm Hoenlein, the executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, said, "It's not completely over. There are still close ties between many in Turkey and the community and there are still a lot of common interests."
But Mr. Hoenlein added, "The Turks happen to have a government that is extremist, that has chosen a path that is violative of the past relationship. It has been a steady process, not just related to the most recent incident. This began with the election of this Islamist government in 2002."
Barry Jacobs, the American Jewish Committee's former director of strategic studies in the office of government and international affairs, also noted Turkey's critical stance toward Israel's 2006 invasion of southern Lebanon to root out Hezbollah terrorists attacking the Jewish state.
"This started in 2006 when I remember one Israeli diplomat complained that Turkish support for Hezbollah had 'out-Arabed the Arabs,'" Mr. Jacobs said, adding that Turkey's unconditional support for Hamas since 2007, combined with Jewish discomfort with defending the Turks on the Armenian issue, led to a dampening of support.
"The major Jewish organizations decided in 2008 that the question of the Armenian genocide resolution was so sensitive we would no longer take public and private positions to oppose it," Mr. Jacobs said.
Abe Foxman, the national director of the Anti-Defamation League, said he thinks the Turks made a strategic decision to break with Israel during the Gaza war. He pointed to a heated exchange in 2009 at the annual World Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland, when Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan walked out of a session with Israeli President Shimon Peres, telling him: "When it comes to killing, you know well how to kill."
"We saw things deteriorating but it did not surface publicly until Davos," Mr. Foxman said. "Until then, the trade continued, the military continued. It did not happen till the Gaza war. My feeling is that Turkey made a geopolitical decision before, but it needed an excuse to turn so dramatically."
Mr. Jacobs and Mr. Weissman were in some ways the architects of the Jewish community's support for Turkey in Washington that began at the end of the Cold War. Both men led delegations of Jewish community leaders to Istanbul and Ankara. Mr. Weissman said AIPAC's leaders even offered training to Turkish Americans on how to establish a successful lobby.
In Congress, the Jewish organizations lobbied for an oil pipeline from the Azerbaijani capital of Baku to the Turkish Mediterranean port of Ceyhan, a pipeline that bypasses Turkey's rival Armenia entirely. The Jewish lobby in Washington helped protect U.S. arms sales to Turkey, on which the Greek lobby often tried to block or impose conditions.
Henri Barkey, a former State Department Turkey analyst and senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington, said, "The most important element of the relationship with Israel for the Turks in the late 1980s was improving relations with the United States through the American Jewish community."
In the 1980s, Turkey often lost major fights in Congress to the Greek and Armenian lobbies.
"It made Turkey's strategic value to the United States more visible and understandable when supporters of Israel would go to bat for them," said Douglas J. Feith, a former undersecretary of defense for policy who represented Turkey when he was out of government in the early 1990s. "All of the sudden, you not only had strong support for Turkey in elements of the executive branch, you also had then some serious debate on [Capitol Hill] in favor of Turkey as well."
Today, far from being an asset for Turkey, the American Jewish community appears to becoming a potent foe of Turkish interests in Washington.
On Tuesday for example, the Anti-Defamation League issued a press release calling on the State Department to designate the IHH, the Turkish charity that helped organize the free-Gaza flotilla as a foreign terrorist organization. In Turkey, the IHH has been praised as a group of peace activists and humanitarians.
"In terms of the Jewish community and Israel, neither one of us wants to throw it away and hope it is not over," Mr. Foxman said. "But every day there is another provocation. Every day the Turkish government goes out of its way to be insulting to Israel and another link is broken."
Morris Amitay, a former executive director of AIPAC who has also represented Turkey, was more blunt.
"If someone asked me now if I would try to protect Turkey in Congress, my response would be, 'You've got to be kidding,'" he said.
The liberal Jewish organizations J Street and Americans for Peace Now declined to comment on the deterioration of Israeli-Turkish ties in Washington.
By Eli Lake of "The Washington Times ", June 8, 2010.
In October 2000, the government of Turkey had a problem.
House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert had promised to bring a resolution commemorating the Armenian genocide to the floor for a vote, a move that Ankara said would be a slap in the face to a NATO ally.
The Turks called up Keith Weissman, a senior researcher from the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, and asked him to intervene.
Mr. Weissman said in an interview this week that AIPAC lit up the phones and managed at the last minute — with the help of the State Department — to persuade President Clinton himself to write a letter to Mr. Hastert saying a vote on the resolution would cause strategic damage to U.S. interests.
The last-minute push worked. Mr. Hastert removed the resolution from the floor, and the full Congress has yet to take up the matter to this day.
But the American Jewish community is no longer helping Turkey, after a tumultuous deterioration of ties between Israel and Turkey in the past four years. The government in Ankara last week decried a botched Israeli raid on a Turkish aid flotilla, which claimed at least nine lives, as an act of "state terror."
In some ways, the Memorial Day flotilla affair marks an end of Israel's more than 20-year strategic alliance with Turkey, and the resulting support from the pro-Israel lobby in Washington.
Turkey, which has a secular constitution, was the first Muslim state to recognize Israel, in 1949. Israel has historically sought to form alliances with countries on the periphery of the Arab world such as Turkey, Iran and Ethiopia.
In 1982, when Israel invaded southern Lebanon, its army destroyed training camps affiliated with the Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia, a terrorist organization responsible for the slayings of Turkish diplomats.
Turkey rewarded Israel's counterterrorism operations with increased intelligence ties. The intelligence relationship soon blossomed into full ambassadorial relations, and increased commercial trade and closer military cooperation. In exchange for arms sales from Israel, Turkey allowed the Israeli air force to use Anatolian airspace for training purposes.
The relationship began to sour in the early 2000s with the election of the Justice and Development Party (AKP in Turkish), which is based on elements of parties that had been banned for Islamism.
Malcolm Hoenlein, the executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, said, "It's not completely over. There are still close ties between many in Turkey and the community and there are still a lot of common interests."
But Mr. Hoenlein added, "The Turks happen to have a government that is extremist, that has chosen a path that is violative of the past relationship. It has been a steady process, not just related to the most recent incident. This began with the election of this Islamist government in 2002."
Barry Jacobs, the American Jewish Committee's former director of strategic studies in the office of government and international affairs, also noted Turkey's critical stance toward Israel's 2006 invasion of southern Lebanon to root out Hezbollah terrorists attacking the Jewish state.
"This started in 2006 when I remember one Israeli diplomat complained that Turkish support for Hezbollah had 'out-Arabed the Arabs,'" Mr. Jacobs said, adding that Turkey's unconditional support for Hamas since 2007, combined with Jewish discomfort with defending the Turks on the Armenian issue, led to a dampening of support.
"The major Jewish organizations decided in 2008 that the question of the Armenian genocide resolution was so sensitive we would no longer take public and private positions to oppose it," Mr. Jacobs said.
Abe Foxman, the national director of the Anti-Defamation League, said he thinks the Turks made a strategic decision to break with Israel during the Gaza war. He pointed to a heated exchange in 2009 at the annual World Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland, when Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan walked out of a session with Israeli President Shimon Peres, telling him: "When it comes to killing, you know well how to kill."
"We saw things deteriorating but it did not surface publicly until Davos," Mr. Foxman said. "Until then, the trade continued, the military continued. It did not happen till the Gaza war. My feeling is that Turkey made a geopolitical decision before, but it needed an excuse to turn so dramatically."
Mr. Jacobs and Mr. Weissman were in some ways the architects of the Jewish community's support for Turkey in Washington that began at the end of the Cold War. Both men led delegations of Jewish community leaders to Istanbul and Ankara. Mr. Weissman said AIPAC's leaders even offered training to Turkish Americans on how to establish a successful lobby.
In Congress, the Jewish organizations lobbied for an oil pipeline from the Azerbaijani capital of Baku to the Turkish Mediterranean port of Ceyhan, a pipeline that bypasses Turkey's rival Armenia entirely. The Jewish lobby in Washington helped protect U.S. arms sales to Turkey, on which the Greek lobby often tried to block or impose conditions.
Henri Barkey, a former State Department Turkey analyst and senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington, said, "The most important element of the relationship with Israel for the Turks in the late 1980s was improving relations with the United States through the American Jewish community."
In the 1980s, Turkey often lost major fights in Congress to the Greek and Armenian lobbies.
"It made Turkey's strategic value to the United States more visible and understandable when supporters of Israel would go to bat for them," said Douglas J. Feith, a former undersecretary of defense for policy who represented Turkey when he was out of government in the early 1990s. "All of the sudden, you not only had strong support for Turkey in elements of the executive branch, you also had then some serious debate on [Capitol Hill] in favor of Turkey as well."
Today, far from being an asset for Turkey, the American Jewish community appears to becoming a potent foe of Turkish interests in Washington.
On Tuesday for example, the Anti-Defamation League issued a press release calling on the State Department to designate the IHH, the Turkish charity that helped organize the free-Gaza flotilla as a foreign terrorist organization. In Turkey, the IHH has been praised as a group of peace activists and humanitarians.
"In terms of the Jewish community and Israel, neither one of us wants to throw it away and hope it is not over," Mr. Foxman said. "But every day there is another provocation. Every day the Turkish government goes out of its way to be insulting to Israel and another link is broken."
Morris Amitay, a former executive director of AIPAC who has also represented Turkey, was more blunt.
"If someone asked me now if I would try to protect Turkey in Congress, my response would be, 'You've got to be kidding,'" he said.
The liberal Jewish organizations J Street and Americans for Peace Now declined to comment on the deterioration of Israeli-Turkish ties in Washington.
By Eli Lake of "The Washington Times ", June 8, 2010.
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Date: 2010-06-10 02:34 am (UTC)Превратили нашу боль в свою разменную монету, в перчатку, которой хлещут друг друга по лицу.
фак
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Date: 2010-06-10 03:18 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-10 07:03 am (UTC)В 2003, когда Турция отказалась предоставлять выход в Ирак для американцев, то же самое говорили.
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Date: 2010-06-10 12:46 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-10 01:38 pm (UTC)Да и помирятся, никуда не денутся. Симпатии - одно, а против общих интересов не попрешь.
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Date: 2010-06-10 02:31 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-10 02:35 pm (UTC)Перчатками могут и помахать, обидеться могут, может даже кое-что посерьезнее, но вот на разрыв отношений, читай, признание Геноцида Армян, не пойдут никогда
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Date: 2010-06-10 02:44 pm (UTC)Это во-первых, а во-вторых ну невозможно не оценить уровень циничности попытки наши ишьюс туда вплести - это на самом деле в учебники по политологии войдёт, уж давно ничего на таком уровне не встречалось..
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Date: 2010-06-10 02:59 pm (UTC)Уже не говоря о том, что непоколебимая уверенность некоторых в том, что все обязаны принимать во внимание их личную боль, начинает вызывать
сомнения в адекватностинекоторую растерянность...это их проблема, а не наша.
Date: 2010-06-10 03:02 pm (UTC)Re: это их проблема, а не наша.
Date: 2010-06-10 03:05 pm (UTC)Меня интересует ТОЛЬКО признание Турцией, причем и в этом случае это их проблема, а не наша.
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Date: 2010-06-10 01:37 pm (UTC)На то она и наша.
Думаю вы тоже не сильно переживаете по поводу избитых на этой самой флотилии израильских десантников. Или ошибаюсь?
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Date: 2010-06-10 02:17 pm (UTC)Vam ne kazhetsya, chto Vy chto-to ne to ishete v moem comment?
I potom, s chego Vy vyzali, chto ya raduyus' tomu, chto kto-to gde-to po otnosheniyu k komu-to proyavil zhestokost'?
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Date: 2010-06-10 02:32 pm (UTC)Согласитесь, что между "меня не радует" и "я переживаю и ощущаю за них боль" есть ощутимая разница.
И даже если ощущаете боль, настолько ли она значительна, чтобы вы поступились своим интересом ради этой боли?
Если вы скажете "да", я вам не поверю ))) ну или вы святая.
Наша боль есть наша боль. Не еврейская, не турецкая. А еврейские интересы есть еврейские интересы, они их защищали и будут защищать и дальше. Aрмянская боль как была так и останется в этом вопросе не при чем. Вот и ВСЁ.
Если спросите меня, так вполне справедливо.
Что же касается армянской внешней политики... не понимаю, с какого перепугу ей меняться? Типа вдруг стать лучшим другом Турции, что ли? ))) Да и вообще, кого в этом вопросе интересует армянское мнение? )))
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Date: 2010-06-10 03:17 pm (UTC)Vy perenesli etu novost' i obsuzhdenie v sovsem druguyu ploskost', i mne ne xochetsya podderzhivat' takoe napravlenie.
Moi lichnye perezhivanya - ne est' tochka obsuzhdenii vystavlennoi novosti.
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Date: 2010-06-10 03:21 pm (UTC)но если вы больше не хотите обсуждать - не вопрос, я даже рада.
Непрофессионализм наказуем, увы.
Date: 2010-06-10 02:19 pm (UTC)Re: Непрофессионализм наказуем, увы.
Date: 2010-06-10 02:22 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-10 05:12 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-10 06:54 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-10 06:56 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-10 07:14 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-10 07:20 am (UTC)А нам не нужно особо напрягаться, есть другие, те, кто не хочет дружбы турок и евреев.
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Date: 2010-06-10 07:30 am (UTC)Так, вроде бы, никто особо и не напрягается вбить клин между старыми друзьями-товарищами и не верит в опереточную ссору.
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Date: 2010-06-10 12:51 pm (UTC)пока сильна панисламская позиция, израиль будет поддерживать пантюркизм
это теперешнее турецкое правительсвто стало брать на себя роль Порты, стремясь соединить оба течения, потому и неуютно стало израилю, а как только ветер изменится, все вернется в их обычное русло запанибратства
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Date: 2010-06-10 04:12 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-10 06:40 pm (UTC)Israel-yu namnogo vazhnee ne dopustit' panislamism, im vygodnee bylo vsegda podderzhivat' panturkism kak protivoves panislamism-u.
Esli dva napravleniya ob'edinyatysa, tut poletit vse v takie tartarary - chto ne tolko Israelyu, no vsemu miru malo ne pokazhetsya.
Edinstvennoe, chto poka prepyatstvuet takomu razvitiyu sobytii - razobshennost' islamskogo (arabo-turkskogo) mira i nezhelanie arabov progibat' spinu pod turkami. I takoe sostoyanie del bylo s nezapamyatnyx vremen (dostatochno vspomnit' vozniknovenie el Andals :) )
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Date: 2010-06-11 04:37 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-11 05:34 am (UTC)Поддерживаю!
Date: 2010-06-10 02:13 pm (UTC)Re: Поддерживаю!
Date: 2010-06-10 04:33 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-10 05:17 am (UTC)Как в дешёвой соуп-опере. :)
Date: 2010-06-10 01:56 pm (UTC)Re: Как в дешёвой соуп-опере. :)
Date: 2010-06-10 02:11 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-10 06:17 am (UTC)Израиль столько сил и ресурсов угрохал в "т-орков" хотя для меня, исходя из армянского опыта, было изначально очевидно, чем все это закончится - нет, не на Ближнем Востоке, здесь на Кавказе, хотя бы.
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Date: 2010-06-10 06:59 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-10 07:58 am (UTC)А запретить, естественно, никто не может и не собирается. У нас своих проблем с головой и выше.
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Date: 2010-06-10 08:41 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-10 11:27 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-10 02:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-10 04:24 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-10 06:54 am (UTC)no subject
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